tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post4904777458348391066..comments2024-03-26T03:52:23.395-07:00Comments on Housing Analysis: March 2007 FVREB Statisticsmohicanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06094213357140749289noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-92119226819064766372007-04-05T09:11:00.000-07:002007-04-05T09:11:00.000-07:00And even if they do sorta know that it's gonna go ...And even if they do sorta know that it's gonna go down. People sorta know that smoking is going to kill them but they still smoke. Overweight people know that being overweight is bad for your health but they don't diet. We humans are just bad actors all around.AndrewJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04813082701244060724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-49567809544057091042007-04-05T09:05:00.000-07:002007-04-05T09:05:00.000-07:00Anyone except the current crop of greatest fools s...<I> Anyone except the current crop of greatest fools still buying can see that a downturn is coming.<BR/>...<BR/>You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I just think that most people don't even bother to put their hand out the window.<BR/><BR/>Just yesterday I was talking to a coworker who is planning to buy a 3 bed townhome in White Rock. I told him I thought it likely prices were about to go off a cliff. He argued that he needed to buy before he was priced out and that it was the only way he could get into this market.<BR/><BR/>I think that for the most part it takes a lot of effort to override your instinct. When there are lots of mice you get lots of wolves. The wolves don't stop to think that there aren't always going to be this many mice so maybe we should just hang back on the eating and procreating thing a bit so it doesn't suck so much when the mice population dies out.AndrewJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04813082701244060724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-27439098377547529252007-04-04T21:32:00.000-07:002007-04-04T21:32:00.000-07:00I don't think builders are that smart (about a com...<I>I don't think builders are that smart (about a coming downturn). How would they know about a downturn before anyone else?</I><BR/><BR/>Anyone except the current crop of greatest fools still buying can see that a downturn is coming.<BR/><BR/>The market turned in 1981 while the economy was still strong. So did the US market last year. Right now the housing crash south of 49 is in full swing, with a recession looking more likely by the day.<BR/><BR/>You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.patriotzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11154064267408955762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-60425797063700503762007-04-04T19:52:00.000-07:002007-04-04T19:52:00.000-07:00Freako, don't forger Mr Toll cashed in millions in...Freako, don't forger Mr Toll cashed in millions in shares, just months before the market “officially” started souring.<BR/><BR/>The money left on the table and at risk was “other people’s money"<BR/><BR/>Toll, Lereah, Appleton, and our own "usual suspects" know the score; it's too obvious not to know. <BR/><BR/>But they make a good buck selling the sizzle, even though, the steak has been burnt to a crisp.tulip-Mania2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482331067557664647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-28453894817724293852007-04-04T19:16:00.000-07:002007-04-04T19:16:00.000-07:00I wonder how many of these builders who are cuttin...I wonder how many of these builders who are cutting back on risk, learned their lesson in the early 80's.<BR/><BR/>The number of small spec builders (including several aquaintances)who got cleaned out by the 81 crash was huge, and the damage was devastating.macho slobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15640891497806482996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-84304807069791144412007-04-04T18:34:00.000-07:002007-04-04T18:34:00.000-07:00"I don't think builders are that smart "If the are..."I don't think builders are that smart "<BR/><BR/>If the are anything like their counter parts down south, I'd agree. Toll, Pulte et al built and acquired pricy land options right until the tide turned in May 2006. They got caught loaded to the gills.freakohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06236681769619303395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-21963098035130836932007-04-04T16:42:00.000-07:002007-04-04T16:42:00.000-07:00"KD for dinner for 25yrs, and sucking up to the bo..."KD for dinner for 25yrs, and sucking up to the boss, at both jobs."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Maybe this coming crash will resolve the employment shortage problem with all these lower paying service jobs that are starving for workers. It would be nice to see so when I go to get gas I don't have actually have to go behind the counter and punch in my own 649 tickets cause the guy running it is totally imcompetent after working there for 2 month and still can't figure out "4 quick picks with the extra please."OnTheIslehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409721739873999519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-31636967413203750842007-04-04T16:21:00.000-07:002007-04-04T16:21:00.000-07:00Prices are so inflated from costs, I think builder...Prices are so inflated from costs, I think builders are safe, Even if prices drop by 50%.<BR/><BR/>It's the people who bought in the last 3 years who will be paying for their mistake for most of their productive lives.<BR/><BR/>Even if there were not to be a spectacular crash, there would have to be a major outbreak of inflation accompanied by hefty wage increases, and low interest rates all concurrently to help these heavily indebted fools out of this mess.<BR/><BR/>KD for dinner for 25yrs, and sucking up to the boss, at both jobs.<BR/><BR/>That is a lot of stars to line up.<BR/><BR/>Tick Tock, Tick Tocktulip-Mania2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01482331067557664647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-87186450473344392712007-04-04T16:19:00.000-07:002007-04-04T16:19:00.000-07:00Does anyone remember the inventory numbers during ...Does anyone remember the inventory numbers during the "pause" from Spring to late Fall, 2004?<BR/><BR/>I remember prices a tumblin' down around then, only to begin shooting up again around March, 2005.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-73252877128483354182007-04-04T16:02:00.000-07:002007-04-04T16:02:00.000-07:00I don't think builders are that smart (about a com...I don't think builders are that smart (about a coming downturn). How would they know about a downturn before anyone else? I think it is more likely that less people are hiring builders to build stuff for reasons that will probably lead to a downturn. Like maybe:<BR/>- Less cash for renovations because it's all in the mortgage.<BR/>- Less people that can afford to buy a house knock it down and build a new house because even the land costs a whack load too much.<BR/>- It's way to expensive to hire anyone in the construction industry right now.<BR/> <BR/>Othewise we're gonna have to talk to some builders and see what they are using to make these accurate predictions that so far we've sucked at :-).AndrewJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04813082701244060724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-22720284179749824602007-04-04T13:07:00.000-07:002007-04-04T13:07:00.000-07:00Permits are down led by Vancouver and Toronto. Is ...<I>Permits are down led by Vancouver and Toronto. Is this not a normally viewed as a leading indicator?</I><BR/><BR/>It means the builders are expecting prices to go down (you know, that upward sloping supply curve).<BR/><BR/>If they actually expected prices to go up they would be building even more.<BR/><BR/>Like the song said, "Lemme tell ya, these guys ain't dumb".patriotzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11154064267408955762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-32439066963145517452007-04-04T10:45:00.000-07:002007-04-04T10:45:00.000-07:00"Whatever way the FVREB tries to spin it - those a..."Whatever way the FVREB tries to spin it - those are some craptacular numbers."<BR/><BR/>I fully agree, these are some of the most bearish numbers we could see at this point in the cycle. The supply / demand picture is shaping up to be abysmal for the bulls this spring.mohicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06094213357140749289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-55273917468689192142007-04-04T10:03:00.000-07:002007-04-04T10:03:00.000-07:00Whatever way the FVREB tries to spin it - those ar...Whatever way the FVREB tries to spin it - those are some craptacular numbers. <BR/><BR/>1,743 sold/3,699 new listings = a sold to list ratio of 51.73%. Last year the ratio was 81.57%. <BR/><BR/>That's a 29.84% drop and the lowest ratio in four years.Rolliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15735141731440749511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-11799513030965226222007-04-04T08:57:00.000-07:002007-04-04T08:57:00.000-07:00What's interesting about the G&M article is that t...What's interesting about the G&M article is that they say weather was a factor. Maybe in TO, but certainly not in Vancouver. We had a downturn in permits because there is a growing realization amonggst builders that the present situation is untenable in the long run....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11019753664340588845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-363649680699617062007-04-04T08:26:00.000-07:002007-04-04T08:26:00.000-07:00"Let's not get carried away in spinning this as Ca..."Let's not get carried away in spinning this as Canada's own real-estate implosion.” (HSBC)<BR/><BR/><BR/>We wouldn't want to dare spin this would we now ? LOL....what a load of crap, for once there is a clear signal and they don't want anyone dare telling the truth....pathetic.<BR/> <BR/>This may be the first of many quotes for the Hall of Shame as this bubble delfates.OnTheIslehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409721739873999519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-28223196097586546042007-04-04T08:18:00.000-07:002007-04-04T08:18:00.000-07:00travel songs said: No, we have a "you don't know a...travel songs said: <B>No, we have a "you don't know anything about re investing and i do" situation.</B><BR/><BR/>I've filed this one in the (now overstuffed) <B>'Arrogant Bullswagger - Remember to get back to these guys after the crash'</B> file.rentahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15702043040945599471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-3821242988679690442007-04-04T07:20:00.000-07:002007-04-04T07:20:00.000-07:00Permits are down led by Vancouver and Toronto. Is...Permits are down led by Vancouver and Toronto. Is this not a normally viewed as a leading indicator? Check it out at the G&M.<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2q2v4jUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11019753664340588845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-64543195486945828382007-04-03T23:26:00.000-07:002007-04-03T23:26:00.000-07:00No, we have a "you don't know anything about re in...No, we have a "you don't know anything about re investing and i do" situation.Travel Songshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01892604774745099009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-78347577921892496962007-04-03T22:12:00.000-07:002007-04-03T22:12:00.000-07:00"the prices are going up, so obviously "The only q..."the prices are going up, so obviously "The only question is when, and how much will prices crash."<BR/><BR/>How about a re-phrase:<BR/><BR/>"the price/rent multiple is going up, so obviously "The only question is when, and how much will the mulitple go down."freakohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06236681769619303395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-62157682518321470142007-04-03T22:05:00.000-07:002007-04-03T22:05:00.000-07:00Here's a travel song for you:"South of the border,...Here's a travel song for you:<BR/><BR/>"South of the border, down America way,<BR/>Owners are underwater, just walking away,<BR/>Foreclosures are snowballing, prices are plummeting,<BR/>South of the border, down America way"<BR/><BR/>But it's different here, right?<BR/><BR/><I>Oh well, off to plan my next successful real estate venture, whatever the prices do, don't matter to me</I><BR/><BR/>Do we have an oxymoron here?patriotzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11154064267408955762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31427364.post-59030068090181871522007-04-03T20:56:00.000-07:002007-04-03T20:56:00.000-07:00Yes, of course, now I get it, the prices are going...Yes, of course, now I get it, the prices are going up, so obviously "The only question is when, and how much will prices crash." Just like I feel really good today, so obviously I will probably drop dead tomorrow of a massive coronary. You need to quit reading these bubble blogs. People have been typing your exact same comment on bubble blogs for years! Wait, maybe I'm the one who should quit reading bubble blogs, I did for awhile, but dammit you guys keep sucking me in. Oh well, off to plan my next successful real estate venture, whatever the prices do, don't matter to me.Travel Songshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01892604774745099009noreply@blogger.com